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Old Thu 20th January 2011, 07:12 PM
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no theyre not turning when u release the pedal
WHen u release the pedal, the thurst bearing moves completrely away from the clutch springs, adn touches nopthing, and the flywheel starts turning teh clutch and pressure plate causing the spigot shaft to turn at the same RPM, so the spigot bearing is doing nothing, not loosely spinning, its completely still, not still as in not doing anythign, but not moving around inside the flywheel.
im sorry im not sure how much more clear i can make it.
theyre not only not under load, they're not doing ANYTHING!
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Old Thu 20th January 2011, 07:47 PM
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I've had this same problem years ago in two different cars. Both times it was either the spigot or thrust bearing (I replaced them as a set both times) as the noise went after replacing them. Whether the bearings are "playing a role" or not doesn't really come into it. Just because they aren't under load doesn't mean they can't make noise. They are still spinning around after all. In fact in some situations if there is some wear or play in bearings wouldn't it make sense that they might make noise by rattling when not under load? As GOD said, there are many ways a bearing can fail.

It's next to no cost and an incredibly simple job to do. Whether you think it's the problem or not, just replace them to find out. I hope it doesn't turn out to be gearbox related, but if it does you haven't really lost much by doing this first.

By all means, do a complete rebuild on your gearbox at huge effort and expense before trying the easy/cheap things first....but you might be considered insane if you ever have yourself tested

Glad you've been inspired by Toonga anyways, let us know how it goes!
I'll take your opinion on board, each to their own, but as a mechanic for 30 years, I'll still say his noise is in the gearbox.

To prove it, he can pull the throwout fork back away from the pressure plate and the noise will still be there.
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Old Thu 20th January 2011, 08:56 PM
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I can't get as emotional as you guys; but what if a thrust bearing retaining clip has come adrift resulting in distortion of the thrust bearing when clutch is engaged, creating a rattle or whirr, but being stopped by pressure on the thrust bearing when clutch pedal is pushed in?
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I'll take your opinion on board, each to their own, but as a mechanic for 30 years, I'll still say his noise is in the gearbox.

To prove it, he can pull the throwout fork back away from the pressure plate and the noise will still be there.

To prove it, he can pull the throwout fork back away from the pressure plate and the noise will still be there.
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Old Thu 20th January 2011, 09:40 PM
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wow, have ppl been ringing around for any reason they can come up with to prove me wrong? thats a good attempt tho, but too far fetched, when i release just enough pressure to get the shaft spinning in neutral, i start to hear the whirring, so that is at the stage when there is still ample pressure on the throwout bearing. And this noise was happening befroe and after i removed enigne and did in fact play around with the retainer clips, and both are fine.

i dont know why i got so emotional about this, its just i started the thread hoping somone could tell me if new GB oil would stop a noisy input shaft bearing, or if anyone had experience takign them apart, and all i got was people telling me incorrect diagnosis, (except littlewhiteute) then when i tried to inform them of the probelm with their suggestions (quite politely too i might add) i get told im impatient (quote" patience is a virtue) and that the younger generation (im 24/5 or sumthing) are stupid.
Its a bit frustrating being told your wrong, when you are not, but in sympathy for the others, its also frustrating being wrong, hence the attempts from other to pick holes in my mechanical knowledge. (which i think is more sound than most mechanics)
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Old Thu 20th January 2011, 09:55 PM
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Both L'series I've had/have make noise when clutch pedal is DEPRESSED. Both had/have 200 000kms + with as far as I could ascertain original cluth ASSY's. Release bearing on 1st wagon I replaced was shot. Current wagon will let you know when get round to Clutch replacement, but I am certain is to the same problem. Old KE70 Corola I once had(5spd) also had same prob...

You must be seriously unfortunate to have a prob with the transmission.

Save yourself! try and find another need while your at it to seperate Engine and G/box as many times.
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Old Thu 20th January 2011, 10:06 PM
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Wink clutch noise

Anyone seen that movie "anger management" ?
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Old Thu 20th January 2011, 10:14 PM
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Yes, I have seen Anger Management and quite enjoyed it. Generally speaking I like Adam Sandler flicks. They always seem to have a happy ending and a moral to the story, despite being slow to devolope the story and a bit of a pointless body to the film. Much like this thread and many others

However it all works out for the better!!!
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Old Thu 20th January 2011, 10:24 PM
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Thumbs up anger management

Touche!
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lol - Funny about all this "proved right, proved wrong" talk. This kind of thing usually comes after something has actually been proven not before.
My approach in troubleshooting is to rule out cheap/easy things first - things which should be replaced as a matter of course anyway. It's served me well so far so I like to encourage it in others. Whether it ends up fixing the problem or not, there is little lost in doing so. You asked for advice, you've been given it, take it or leave it.
Let us know how you go, hopefully it ends up being a cheap/easy fix.
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